Is Conservation Love?

2009 February 16

I am sure regular readers of the blog will be aware that I am a fan of the work of Clay Shirky, as both an internet theoretician (if that actually exists as an activity) and as an orator, he has a remarkable talent for making complex ideas simple and interesting.

I was particularly struck by this video I watched recently on youtube, in which he used the act of conservation, and love, as a metaphor. Discussing the ancient Ise Shinto shrine, a shrine made of wood, which is periodically torn down and replaced, and although the material is never more than 20 years old the Monks quite rightly consider the Shrine to be original. Shirky made the comment “UNESCO said roughly; get out of our face with that 1300 year old stuff”. Which to my mind, nicely summarises the traditional conservation standpoint around physical structure being the only significant part of the material cultural record. Or, as Clay Shirky summarises this opinion with the phrase: “solidity of edifice, not solidity of process”.

Okihiki Festival showing the wood to be used to build the next shrine. (May 2007)

Okihiki Festival showing the wood to be used to build the next shrine. (May 2007)

Shirky’s reason for introducing this topic in such a way is to provide a metaphor for understanding the role of new technologies in society, in the case of this discussion he focuses on the programming language PERL and an experience he had with AT&T as a client. He talks of the ‘techie hello’ that of an argument between programming languages in this case AT&T’s very own C++ and his groups who were Perl hackers. He describes how the AT&T guys thought they had the perl guys on the ropes with the issue of support. In answer to the Perl guys they said: “we get our support from the perl community, and from the look on their faces it was as if we’d told them we get our Thursdays from a banana.” In order to demonstrate the effectiveness of this system they sent out a moderately complex question to the community list, and received an answer by the end of the meeting. However, it was, according to Clay Shirky, at this point that he realised what was going on, as he says: “They didn’t care that they had already seen it work in practice, because they already knew it couldn’t work in theory.” In other words for them support meant a contract, with a company. It is here that he returns to the metaphor to say: “Perl is a Shinto shrine. Perl exists not as an edifice but as an act of love” and continued to talk about Perl hackers saying “they love perl, but more importantly, they love one another in the context of Perl.” His metaphor is that the tools we have now turn love into a renewable building material, much like the wood of the shrine. In so doing he suggests that for predicting successful futures it would be better to ask not ‘what is the business model’ but ‘do the people who like it take care of each other’. He amusingly suggests that the priests at the shrine “Would totally get Linux. Linux gets rebuilt, every night, by people who’s principle goal is that it continues to exist the following morning.”

These are systems that involve the use of community rather than institution, they involve the free sharing of information amongst users, for the love of it, rather than the buying and selling of knowledge. It seems to me that this is an interesting comment on society, today, we are increasingly seeing process become more important than edifice, and this is also true in conservation, where today, the old UNESCO position is no more, and the intangible meanings of material culture are taken to be as significant as the tangible; often more so. Clay Shirky concluded his talk by saying that: “in the past we would do little things for love, but, big things, big things required money, now we can do big things for love.”

In so doing then, I’d like to conclude by asking the question, are conservators learning to love? And what big things will we do with that love?

7 Responses leave one →
  1. 2009 February 17
    Helena permalink

    Interesting. Pyramids are love too perhaps ? I think it’s unfair to summarise “the traditional conservation standpoint around physical structure being the only significant part of the material cultural record” – that leaves out the personal context. There is a difference between a replica of an 18th century naval jacket, an actual 18th century naval jacket and the jacket Nelson was wearing at Trafalgar. Conservators recognise differences between the three, but would be capable of according each of them treatment with the same care and attention. I can understand the physical difference between the wood of Ise today and the wood of a 10th century Japanese shrine whilst respecting the importance of each. What I can’t do is treat the wood of Ise today in the same way as I treat the 10th century wood because it isn’t as old and therefore has different characteristics and needs.

  2. 2009 February 17
    dancull permalink

    Hi Helena,

    Some interesting points.

    I’m gonna have to say that I am unsure as to the pyramids. I don’t really know much about them, what they mean, what they do, who built them, why, how, for whom, etc?

    On the other issue, I was of course exaggerating and generalising…. I think I probably left out a lot more than the ‘personal context’ idea you correctly suggest. But allow a little artistic license. ;)

    However, I think the central argument is true. Conservation organisations until recently would be unable or rather unlikely to agree with the monks that the material they saw was 1300 years old. Today I think they would be more likely to. Because of concepts of intangibility. I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, but, as a general rule of thumb I think this is a real development in terms of conservation theory over the last however many years. (Seriously conservation needs more histories… as its hard to know for sure).

    I wasn’t meaning to suggest that a conservation strategy for wood 20 years old and 1300 years old would be similar. Its possible (anythings possible), but, unlikely. In fact I doubt a preservation approach to Ise would be appreciated by anyone! Preservation on that site means more destruction and renewal. The ‘treatment’ would be to preserve the idea… rather than the thing.

    My real interest however is how conservators act with love… the sharing of information, techniques, recipes, database information, etc etc. These are all brilliant but relatively small projects, probably the biggest and most influential conservation project so far has been the cons-distlist, but, what even bigger projects could we dream up and achieve?

    Can conservators build a community of perl-like hackers, a linux-like community, can we build our very own shrine?

    Cheers, Dan

  3. 2009 February 19
    Laura permalink

    Thanks for this post Dan! You have hit on a lot of topics that are very close to my heart- including concepts and manifestations of love- how appropriate for heart proximity. There is a lot to be said about the many different issues that your posts mentions: the way people organize, cultural values, the question of the Ise Shrine temple, the role of the internet in connecting people and fostering growth, the relationship of the commercial and the cooperative, the many implications of the word love, and that conservators are human beings with our own complex set of beliefs. These are such big topics on which I feel strongly, that I hardly know where to begin. Hopefully I will be able to end.

    I know that the shrine is not really the point of this posting, but I really feel that the Ise Shrine should be a World Heritage site. Couldn’t it be argued to fulfill several of Unesco’s criteria and it only has to fulfill one:

    · to exhibit an important interchange of human values, over a span of time or within a cultural area of the world, on developments in architecture or technology, monumental arts, town-planning or landscape design;
    · to bear a unique or at least exceptional testimony to a cultural tradition or to a civilization which is living or which has disappeared;
    · to be an outstanding example of a type of building, architectural or technological ensemble or landscape which illustrates (a) significant stage(s) in human history;
    · to be an outstanding example of a traditional human settlement, land-use, or sea-use which is representative of a culture (or cultures), or human interaction with the environment especially when it has become vulnerable under the impact of irreversible change;
    · to be directly or tangibly associated with events or living traditions, with ideas, or with beliefs, with artistic and literary works of outstanding universal significance. (The Committee considers that this criterion should preferably be used in conjunction with other criteria);
    (copied directly from UNESCO’s website, http://whc.unesco.org/en/criteria/)

    Its ritual destruction and rebuilding does not devalue its role as an important piece of the world’s cultural history- Howard Mansfield, author of The Same Ax, Twice, (http://books.google.com/books?id=j90jfCmmB0kC ) argues that it is that very living history that gives the Shrine its value. He writes that “..for an object that has passed through thousands of hands, in a society as changed as Japan’s, this is a pure as it may get. Ise, the scholars say, maintains the original ‘rigid distinction between sacred and profane space within the shrine precinct and the elaborately styled and refined features of each shrine sanctuary.” (page 4)

    Mansfield asks the question that if a farmer says that he has had the same axe his whole life, he has only replaced the handle three time and the head twice, does he have the same axe? Mansfield argues, yes indeed.

    “…To remake a thing correctly is to discover its essence. A tool has a double life. It exists in the physical sense, all metal and wood, and it lives in the heart and the mind. Without these two lives, the tool dies. The farmer who restored that ax has a truer sense of that ax. He has the history of ax building in his hands. Museums are filled with cases of tools that no one knows how to use anymore. A repaired ax is a living tradition” (page 4-5)

    As a conservator you may not agree with all that Mansfield says (I don’t think that I necessarily do), but it is still a thought-provoking read. It goes to the question, what are you trying to conserve? Where is the value of the object?

    The destruction and rebuilding of the Ise Shrine is somewhat antithetical to a western view of conservation and perhaps museums in general. (For a good overview on what museums are about see… http://dancull.wordpress.com/2009/01/26/is-this-the-funniest-museum-based-video-ever/ ) It seems to me that we do in fact, attempt to ‘freeze’ objects in time and space, and that this is not necessarily the view of the entire world. This sense of preservation is in keeping with the cultural values of its country- where lacquerwork is restored with lacquer and tea cups with gold. Where time is allowed to pass and change is allowed to happen, and copies are not so uncommon. I wouldn’t restore lacquer with lacquer, but I am also not ready to say that there isn’t a place for that.

    It seems like the Ise Shrine is more in keeping with the issues faced by modern art conservators- the preservation of the momentary, the preservation of concepts. It sort of like a Sol LeWitt drawing- the instructions are there, but it is not important who carries it out, only that the instructions are followed with the specified materials. And maybe it allows for the little movements of hand, or the materials that are now available. Maybe those little bits are a part of the living nature of that work. As conservators we have our own ideas about what about the object is important, but we need to be able to be flexible to what the object and its context are telling us. What is the point of taking care of an object, if it is just a dead object? If we no longer care about its story?

    Glenn Wharton’s article, “Dynamics of Particpartory Conservation: The Kamehameha I Sculpture Project” in the recent (Fall/Winter 2008) Journal of the American Institute for Conservation touches on these issues: on the conservation of the intangible, of the importance of listening, and on being open to what comes. And it is interesting that he is giving a paper on the preservation of time-based media at the AIC annual meeting in L.A.

    As for the idea of what I would call grassroots organizing, I am absolutely for the evanescent web of Perl, and the ConsDistList. What conservator doesn’t get the DisList? Who hasn’t searched the Cool archive? It is wonderful that the DistListis a resource open to anyone- there are no organizational affiliations, no worries that someone is going to get mad at you for posting something that makes them liable. Having no institution means that creativity and enthusiasm won’t be stifled with bureaucracy, and allows a resource to reach across disciplines and geographical boundaries.

    As technology becomes easier to use, faster, bigger and more widespread, I think that more research or even just treatment tips, will become available online. Projects that are perhaps not big enough to warrant traditional publication, or just that there isn’t enough time to publish the material, will find a home on the internet- whether it is something started by AIC, or perhaps even better, something started by organizationally unaffiliated conservators. Even having a Ning group- or a Wiki- or something I don’t know about- that anyone can join and lists all the things they have worked one, would offer advice on, or need advice on, would be fantastic.

    The AIC specialty group lists are pretty great, but of course not everyone gets to see them. (What happens on the Paintings group and CIPP are a mystery to me.) However, maybe the smaller size of distribution allows for more freedom in asking questions. Otherwise, why wouldn’t you just post it to the DistList? Is there something to be said in keeping things small? That maybe we don’t want just anyone to be able to see the questions we are asking and just maybe, judging us? It’s a balancing act between openness and privacy, but conservators are good at problem solving.

    The internet is a wonderful, fantastic and maybe even a little scary and intimidating place, and conservators must engage because the general public, as well as your colleagues in museums, need to know what we are doing, and why it is important. The internet is one of the best ways to reach them.

    Kudos to the IMA and Brooklyn for having such great web presences! And to Dan for having a site that indicates that conservators are in fact interesting, not just stuffy and bossy.
    http://www.imamuseum.org/blog/
    http://www.brooklynmuseum.org/community/

    These sites have inspired the Shelburne Museum to start a Flickr page, a Facebook page, and a Twitter- and conservation will play a strong role. In fact, conservator Nancie Ravenel was the one who proposed the idea to the rest of the museum. Already she has put up the images of springs from Tiffany chairs, and of course, images from the Dentzel Carousel student projects.
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/shelburnemuseum/

    I hope that other conservators will consider posting their projects on Flickr sites, or Facebook, or Ning, or whatever. It is fun and educational to be able to see objects in their working state. In particular, students and fellows who have time to research, but are unlikely to publish should really consider what internet options are available to them.

    Most of the conservators, and especially the up and coming conservators, that I know are inclined to love- to the magic of the story, to sharing information, to offering advice, and being flexible to change- so I am optimistic. They are interesting and varied personalities who all have something to bring to the table. Evanescent support here we come.

    (So I didn’t really know when to quit, but ahh… such is life.
    Thanks again Dan for a great posting! )

  4. 2009 February 20
    dancull permalink

    Hi Laura,
    I had been meaning to write a lengthy reply to your comment, and by the way thankyou for your comment. However, I am a little busy and haven’t had the time, but, I didn’t want it to pass without comment so here instead is a short, less thought out, comment.

    Thanks for the link to the Mansfield book, its a book I’ve been meaning to read for a while now, as I think it has a lot to say about what I view as one of the possible “real” reasons for conservation. Let me repeat that “one of”… not the only one.

    That of conserving culture, rather than objects. That is to say people over objects. I think its imperative that we as conservators continue to rethink our approach to material culture and view material culture within its context, both past, present, and future…. that context being one beyond the museum walls. Otherwise why do we bother? I mean really if its for some future unknown knowledge, then really, is it worth it…. I honestly don’t know. I am interested in what we can do now, to assist ourselves, and as such I think we need to look at the preservation of culture… if material culture can play an active part in that, great. It is my belief it can, and hence why I am interested in conservation as a profession.

    One another point, again thanks for the comments, and providing some excellent links. Its so great to see all these interesting projects going on.

    Dan.

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